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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.13 20:33:00 -
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If begging worked, Caldari would be happy bunnies.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.14 19:13:00 -
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Remove the MWD and frigs will be so slow that large guns can hit them everytime.
Your smaller signature radius, in conjunction to the upcoming tracking changes, will ensure your survival is longer lasting. Wrecking hits are being changed too.
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Remove cruise and its imposible for even 30 frigs to get the BS, cruise missiles are the only weapon bombers can make some damage with, you try and attack a shield/armor tanked BS with rockets/small/heavy missiles!
Why the obsession with trying to kill a battleship with frigates only and frigates only equipped with cruise missiles?
I'm pretty sure there are turret-based frigate setups which outdamage cruise missiles.
Personally, I feel the changes are OTT.
dalman [MASS] has posted the following in the Balance thread which sums it all up nicely:
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There is just one thing I don't understand...
All the top PvP corps are already using quite a bunch of frigates in their fleets.
Look at the m0ovolution fleets. Look at the CA fleets from ATUK, OC etc. Look at the SA fleets from COL/MASS/IGS etc.
And the only thing these pilots complain about is:
* the wrecking shot chance.
* orbiting not working.
* drones hitting far outside their range.
All these things are already about to be fixed.
And then frigates will be VERY useful.
A bunch of frigates can already take out a battleship, without the frigate pilots riskin anything.
Why is it needed to boost frigates even further?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.14 19:55:00 -
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I have personally been the subject of an ultra-fast locking battleship. Locked my frigate in a second and then locked my pod in a second after my frig was history (or so it seemed...it happened very very fast and I admittedly was not using a stop watch). I don't see how lowering the sig radius helps all that much. Instead of being target locked in 0.7 seconds I'll get locked in 1 second? Not a big help.
Signature radius is going to factor in the tracking calculation i.e frigates will be harder to track with large guns.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.14 20:28:00 -
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Also, if he says many used frigates now, then why does he say quote: "All these things are already about to be fixed. And then frigates will be VERY useful" Seems to me they arent that usefull right now anyway then?
Because the three things he listed are the common issues but CCP seem to be intent on overpowering frigates NOW rather than waiting to see what affect fixing wrecking shots/orbiting/heavy drones accuracy has on frigates.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.14 20:44:00 -
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A) want to load all heavy turrets
B) want nothing but heavy drones
C) can't be bothered to fit a web
D) scorn the concept of a cap neutaliser
E) never fits smartbombs
F) don't have any friends with frigates
A) Even small turrets won't hit a frigate orbiting (since orbting is fixed) a battleship.
B) Light drones hit for **** and die far too easily.
C) Even webbed, with the tracking changes, frigates will be very hard to hit.
D) most frigates can regain sufficient cap incredibly quickly in order to use mwd and if you're outside of webber range you don't need a bloody mwd to outrun a battleship to get out of web range - all frigates have a higher base speed than even the fastest BS.
E) Only insane people will equip smartbombs in Empire and Empire Space is where most wars will be soon.
F) What's the point of frigate defense if cruise missiles can take one out?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.14 20:50:00 -
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Because the three things he listed are the common issues but CCP seem to be intent on overpowering frigates NOW rather than waiting to see what affect fixing wrecking shots/orbiting/heavy drones accuracy has on frigates.
Not true. The orbit and wrecking fixes will go live with the next patch, as it is already in testing.
The changes discussed in the blog are for the long run.
Ah, in that case, it will be interesting to see how frigates perform.
Heavy Drones will still murder them but surely that is easily fixed by stopping them hitting at insane ranges and at 100% accuracy.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.15 12:29:00 -
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Battleships and cruisers (with the exception of some dedicated setups, I guess) can't run MWD forever so why can frigates?
All these frigate specialists certainly fail to realise they are imbalanced at that point 
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